9 posts tagged “gpt-5”
2025
GPT-5 has a hidden system prompt. It looks like GPT-5 when accessed via the OpenAI API may have its own hidden system prompt, independent from the system prompt you can specify in an API call.
At the very least it's getting sent the current date. I tried this just now:
llm -m gpt-5 'current date'
That returned "2025-08-15", confirming that the date has been fed to the model as part of a hidden prompt.
llm -m gpt-5 'current date' --system 'speak french'
Returned "La date actuelle est le 15 août 2025", showing that offering my own custom system prompt did not over-ride the invisible one that includes the date.
GPT-5 is very resistant to sharing the details of this secret system prompt, but Tommy Hughes managed to extract the following:
Current date: 2025-08-15
You are an AI assistant accessed via an API. Your output may need to be parsed by code or displayed
# Desired oververbosity for the final answer (not analysis): 3
An oververbosity of 1 means the model should respond using only the minimal content necessary to satisfy the request, using concise phrasing and avoiding extra detail or explanation.
An oververbosity of 10 means the model should provide maximally detailed, thorough responses with context, explanations, and possibly multiple examples.
The desired oververbosity should be treated only as a *default*. Defer to any user or developer requirements regarding response length, if present.
# Valid channels: analysis, commentary, final. Channel must be included for every message.
# Juice: 64
I've not been able to confirm this myself, but a search for "desired oververbosity" on GitHub shows that a similar prompt has leaked from ChatGPT (including for o3) in the past. I suspect Tommy's leaked prompt is accurate here.
I tried asking GPT-5 about "oververbosity" via its API:
llm -m gpt-5 'explain your oververbosity settings, what is it right now?'
And got back:
- What it is: I adjust how detailed I am based on a “verbosity” level—ranging from very brief to very detailed—so answers fit your needs.
- Current setting: Concise (about 3/10). I prioritize direct answers with minimal extra context and keep explanations short unless you ask for more.
- How to change it: Just say what you want, e.g.:
- “One-sentence answer” or “TL;DR” (very brief)
- “Give a concise summary” (short bullets)
- “Walk me through in detail,” “Deep dive,” or “Include examples/edge cases” (more detailed)
- Note: For ambiguous, technical, or safety-critical topics, I may add brief clarifications even when being concise.
Presumably this is part of OpenAI's instruction hierarchy concept, with these instructions taking precedence over the developer instructions provided by API users (my --system 'speak french' option above).
I'd very much appreciate official documentation that describes this! As an API user I want to know everything that is being fed into the model - I would be much more comfortable with a hidden prompt like this if I knew exactly what was in it.
LLM 0.27, the annotated release notes: GPT-5 and improved tool calling
I shipped LLM 0.27 today (followed by a 0.27.1 with minor bug fixes), adding support for the new GPT-5 family of models from OpenAI plus a flurry of improvements to the tool calling features introduced in LLM 0.26. Here are the annotated release notes.
[... 1,174 words]If you've been experimenting with OpenAI's Codex CLI and have been frustrated that it's not possible to select text and copy it to the clipboard, at least when running in the Mac terminal (I genuinely didn't know it was possible to build a terminal app that disabled copy and paste) you should know that they fixed that in this issue last week.
The new 0.20.0 version from three days ago also completely removes the old TypeScript codebase in favor of Rust. Even installations via NPM now get the Rust version.
I originally installed Codex via Homebrew, so I had to run this command to get the updated version:
brew upgrade codex
Another Codex tip: to use GPT-5 (or any other specific OpenAI model) you can run it like this:
export OPENAI_DEFAULT_MODEL="gpt-5"
codex
This no longer works, see update below.
I've been using a codex-5 script on my PATH containing this, because sometimes I like to live dangerously!
#!/usr/bin/env zsh
# Usage: codex-5 [additional args passed to `codex`]
export OPENAI_DEFAULT_MODEL="gpt-5"
exec codex --dangerously-bypass-approvals-and-sandbox "$@"
Update: It looks like GPT-5 is the default model in v0.20.0 already.
Also the environment variable I was using no longer does anything, it was removed in this commit (I used Codex Web to help figure that out). You can use the -m model_id command-line option instead.
the percentage of users using reasoning models each day is significantly increasing; for example, for free users we went from <1% to 7%, and for plus users from 7% to 24%.
— Sam Altman, revealing quite how few people used the old model picker to upgrade from GPT-4o
The issue with GPT-5 in a nutshell is that unless you pay for model switching & know to use GPT-5 Thinking or Pro, when you ask “GPT-5” you sometimes get the best available AI & sometimes get one of the worst AIs available and it might even switch within a single conversation.
— Ethan Mollick, highlighting that GPT-5 (high) ranks top on Artificial Analysis, GPT-5 (minimal) ranks lower than GPT-4.1
GPT-5 rollout updates:
- We are going to double GPT-5 rate limits for ChatGPT Plus users as we finish rollout.
- We will let Plus users choose to continue to use 4o. We will watch usage as we think about how long to offer legacy models for.
- GPT-5 will seem smarter starting today. Yesterday, the autoswitcher broke and was out of commission for a chunk of the day, and the result was GPT-5 seemed way dumber. Also, we are making some interventions to how the decision boundary works that should help you get the right model more often.
- We will make it more transparent about which model is answering a given query.
- We will change the UI to make it easier to manually trigger thinking.
- Rolling out to everyone is taking a bit longer. It’s a massive change at big scale. For example, our API traffic has about doubled over the past 24 hours…
We will continue to work to get things stable and will keep listening to feedback. As we mentioned, we expected some bumpiness as we roll out so many things at once. But it was a little more bumpy than we hoped for!
The surprise deprecation of GPT-4o for ChatGPT consumers
I’ve been dipping into the r/ChatGPT subreddit recently to see how people are reacting to the GPT-5 launch, and so far the vibes there are not good. This AMA thread with the OpenAI team is a great illustration of the single biggest complaint: a lot of people are very unhappy to lose access to the much older GPT-4o, previously ChatGPT’s default model for most users.
[... 933 words]A couple of weeks ago I was invited to OpenAI's headquarters for a "preview event", for which I had to sign both an NDA and a video release waiver. I suspected it might relate to either GPT-5 or the OpenAI open weight models... and GPT-5 it was!
OpenAI had invited five developers: Claire Vo, Theo Browne, Ben Hylak, Shawn @swyx Wang, and myself. We were all given early access to the new models and asked to spend a couple of hours (of paid time, see my disclosures) experimenting with them, while being filmed by a professional camera crew.
The resulting video is now up on YouTube. Unsurprisingly most of my edits related to SVGs of pelicans.
GPT-5: Key characteristics, pricing and model card
I’ve had preview access to the new GPT-5 model family for the past two weeks (see related video and my disclosures) and have been using GPT-5 as my daily-driver. It’s my new favorite model. It’s still an LLM—it’s not a dramatic departure from what we’ve had before—but it rarely screws up and generally feels competent or occasionally impressive at the kinds of things I like to use models for.
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