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Qwen3-235B-A22B-Thinking-2507 (via) The third Qwen model release week, following Qwen3-235B-A22B-Instruct-2507 on Monday 21st and Qwen3-Coder-480B-A35B-Instruct on Tuesday 22nd.

Those two were both non-reasoning models - a change from the previous models in the Qwen 3 family which combined reasoning and non-reasoning in the same model, controlled by /think and /no_think tokens.

Today's model, Qwen3-235B-A22B-Thinking-2507 (also released as an FP8 variant), is their new thinking variant.

Qwen claim "state-of-the-art results among open-source thinking models" and have increased the context length to 262,144 tokens - a big jump from April's Qwen3-235B-A22B which was "32,768 natively and 131,072 tokens with YaRN".

Their own published benchmarks show comparable scores to DeepSeek-R1-0528, OpenAI's o3 and o4-mini, Gemini 2.5 Pro and Claude Opus 4 in thinking mode.

The new model is already available via OpenRouter.

But how good is its pelican?

I tried it with "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" via OpenRouter, and it thought for 166 seconds - nearly three minutes! I have never seen a model think for that long. No wonder the documentation includes the following:

However, since the model may require longer token sequences for reasoning, we strongly recommend using a context length greater than 131,072 when possible.

Here's a copy of that thinking trace. It was really fun to scan through:

The finished pelican? Not so great! I like the beak though:

# 25th July 2025, 10:52 pm / ai, generative-ai, llms, qwen, pelican-riding-a-bicycle, llm-reasoning, llm-release, ai-in-china

Qwen3-Coder: Agentic Coding in the World (via) It turns out that as I was typing up my notes on Qwen3-235B-A22B-Instruct-2507 the Qwen team were unleashing something much bigger:

Today, we’re announcing Qwen3-Coder, our most agentic code model to date. Qwen3-Coder is available in multiple sizes, but we’re excited to introduce its most powerful variant first: Qwen3-Coder-480B-A35B-Instruct — a 480B-parameter Mixture-of-Experts model with 35B active parameters which supports the context length of 256K tokens natively and 1M tokens with extrapolation methods, offering exceptional performance in both coding and agentic tasks.

This is another Apache 2.0 licensed open weights model, available as Qwen3-Coder-480B-A35B-Instruct and Qwen3-Coder-480B-A35B-Instruct-FP8 on Hugging Face.

I used qwen3-coder-480b-a35b-instruct on the Hyperbolic playground to run my "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" test prompt:

I actually slightly prefer the one I got from qwen3-235b-a22b-07-25.

It's also available as qwen3-coder on OpenRouter.

In addition to the new model, Qwen released their own take on an agentic terminal coding assistant called qwen-code, which they describe in their blog post as being "Forked from Gemini Code" (they mean gemini-cli) - which is Apache 2.0 so a fork is in keeping with the license.

They focused really hard on code performance for this release, including generating synthetic data tested using 20,000 parallel environments on Alibaba Cloud:

In the post-training phase of Qwen3-Coder, we introduced long-horizon RL (Agent RL) to encourage the model to solve real-world tasks through multi-turn interactions using tools. The key challenge of Agent RL lies in environment scaling. To address this, we built a scalable system capable of running 20,000 independent environments in parallel, leveraging Alibaba Cloud’s infrastructure. The infrastructure provides the necessary feedback for large-scale reinforcement learning and supports evaluation at scale. As a result, Qwen3-Coder achieves state-of-the-art performance among open-source models on SWE-Bench Verified without test-time scaling.

To further burnish their coding credentials, the announcement includes instructions for running their new model using both Claude Code and Cline using custom API base URLs that point to Qwen's own compatibility proxies.

Pricing for Qwen's own hosted models (through Alibaba Cloud) looks competitive. This is the first model I've seen that sets different prices for four different sizes of input:

This kind of pricing reflects how inference against longer inputs is more expensive to process. Gemini 2.5 Pro has two different prices for above or below 200,00 tokens.

Awni Hannun reports running a 4-bit quantized MLX version on a 512GB M3 Ultra Mac Studio at 24 tokens/second using 272GB of RAM, getting great results for "write a python script for a bouncing yellow ball within a square, make sure to handle collision detection properly. make the square slowly rotate. implement it in python. make sure ball stays within the square".

# 22nd July 2025, 10:52 pm / ai, generative-ai, llms, ai-assisted-programming, qwen, llm-pricing, pelican-riding-a-bicycle, llm-release, openrouter, coding-agents, ai-in-china

Qwen/Qwen3-235B-A22B-Instruct-2507. Significant new model release from Qwen, published yesterday without much fanfare. (Update: probably because they were cooking the much larger Qwen3-Coder-480B-A35B-Instruct which they released just now.)

This is a follow-up to their April release of the full Qwen 3 model family, which included a Qwen3-235B-A22B model which could handle both reasoning and non-reasoning prompts (via a /no_think toggle).

The new Qwen3-235B-A22B-Instruct-2507 ditches that mechanism - this is exclusively a non-reasoning model. It looks like Qwen have new reasoning models in the pipeline.

This new model is Apache 2 licensed and comes in two official sizes: a BF16 model (437.91GB of files on Hugging Face) and an FP8 variant (220.20GB). VentureBeat estimate that the large model needs 88GB of VRAM while the smaller one should run in ~30GB.

The benchmarks on these new models look very promising. Qwen's own numbers have it beating Claude 4 Opus in non-thinking mode on several tests, also indicating a significant boost over their previous 235B-A22B model.

I haven't seen any independent benchmark results yet. Here's what I got for "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle", which I ran using the qwen3-235b-a22b-07-25:free on OpenRouter:

llm install llm-openrouter
llm -m openrouter/qwen/qwen3-235b-a22b-07-25:free \
  "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle"

# 22nd July 2025, 10:07 pm / ai, generative-ai, llms, llm, qwen, pelican-riding-a-bicycle, llm-release, openrouter, ai-in-china

moonshotai/Kimi-K2-Instruct (via) Colossal new open weights model release today from Moonshot AI, a two year old Chinese AI lab with a name inspired by Pink Floyd’s album The Dark Side of the Moon.

My HuggingFace storage calculator says the repository is 958.52 GB. It's a mixture-of-experts model with "32 billion activated parameters and 1 trillion total parameters", trained using the Muon optimizer as described in Moonshot's joint paper with UCLA Muon is Scalable for LLM Training.

I think this may be the largest ever open weights model? DeepSeek v3 is 671B.

I created an API key for Moonshot, added some dollars and ran a prompt against it using my LLM tool. First I added this to the extra-openai-models.yaml file:

- model_id: kimi-k2
  model_name: kimi-k2-0711-preview
  api_base: https://api.moonshot.ai/v1
  api_key_name: moonshot

Then I set the API key:

llm keys set moonshot
# Paste key here

And ran a prompt:

llm -m kimi-k2 "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" \
  -o max_tokens 2000

(The default max tokens setting was too short.)

This is pretty good! The spokes are a nice touch. Full transcript here.

This one is open weights but not open source: they're using a modified MIT license with this non-OSI-compliant section tagged on at the end:

Our only modification part is that, if the Software (or any derivative works thereof) is used for any of your commercial products or services that have more than 100 million monthly active users, or more than 20 million US dollars (or equivalent in other currencies) in monthly revenue, you shall prominently display "Kimi K2" on the user interface of such product or service.

Update: MLX developer Awni Hannun reports:

The new Kimi K2 1T model (4-bit quant) runs on 2 512GB M3 Ultras with mlx-lm and mx.distributed.

1 trillion params, at a speed that's actually quite usable

# 11th July 2025, 6:33 pm / ai, generative-ai, llms, llm, mlx, pelican-riding-a-bicycle, llm-release, ai-in-china, moonshot, kimi

deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3-0324. Chinese AI lab DeepSeek just released the latest version of their enormous DeepSeek v3 model, baking the release date into the name DeepSeek-V3-0324.

The license is MIT (that's new - previous DeepSeek v3 had a custom license), the README is empty and the release adds up a to a total of 641 GB of files, mostly of the form model-00035-of-000163.safetensors.

The model only came out a few hours ago and MLX developer Awni Hannun already has it running at >20 tokens/second on a 512GB M3 Ultra Mac Studio ($9,499 of ostensibly consumer-grade hardware) via mlx-lm and this mlx-community/DeepSeek-V3-0324-4bit 4bit quantization, which reduces the on-disk size to 352 GB.

I think that means if you have that machine you can run it with my llm-mlx plugin like this, but I've not tried myself!

llm mlx download-model mlx-community/DeepSeek-V3-0324-4bit
llm chat -m mlx-community/DeepSeek-V3-0324-4bit

The new model is also listed on OpenRouter. You can try a chat at openrouter.ai/chat?models=deepseek/deepseek-chat-v3-0324:free.

Here's what the chat interface gave me for "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle":

I have two API keys with OpenRouter - one of them worked with the model, the other gave me a No endpoints found matching your data policy error - I think because I had a setting on that key disallowing models from training on my activity. The key that worked was a free key with no attached billing credentials.

For my working API key the llm-openrouter plugin let me run a prompt like this:

llm install llm-openrouter
llm keys set openrouter
# Paste key here
llm -m openrouter/deepseek/deepseek-chat-v3-0324:free "best fact about a pelican"

Here's that "best fact" - the terminal output included Markdown and an emoji combo, here that's rendered.

One of the most fascinating facts about pelicans is their unique throat pouch, called a gular sac, which can hold up to 3 gallons (11 liters) of water—three times more than their stomach!

Here’s why it’s amazing:
- Fishing Tool: They use it like a net to scoop up fish, then drain the water before swallowing.
- Cooling Mechanism: On hot days, pelicans flutter the pouch to stay cool by evaporating water.
- Built-in "Shopping Cart": Some species even use it to carry food back to their chicks.

Bonus fact: Pelicans often fish cooperatively, herding fish into shallow water for an easy catch.

Would you like more cool pelican facts? 🐦🌊

In putting this post together I got Claude to build me this new tool for finding the total on-disk size of a Hugging Face repository, which is available in their API but not currently displayed on their website.

Update: Here's a notable independent benchmark from Paul Gauthier:

DeepSeek's new V3 scored 55% on aider's polyglot benchmark, significantly improving over the prior version. It's the #2 non-thinking/reasoning model, behind only Sonnet 3.7. V3 is competitive with thinking models like R1 & o3-mini.

# 24th March 2025, 3:04 pm / tools, ai, generative-ai, local-llms, llms, ai-assisted-programming, hugging-face, llm, mlx, pelican-riding-a-bicycle, deepseek, llm-release, openrouter, ai-in-china

QwQ: Reflect Deeply on the Boundaries of the Unknown. Brand new openly licensed (Apache 2) model from Alibaba Cloud's Qwen team, this time clearly inspired by OpenAI's work on reasoning in o1.

I love the flowery language they use to introduce the new model:

Through deep exploration and countless trials, we discovered something profound: when given time to ponder, to question, and to reflect, the model’s understanding of mathematics and programming blossoms like a flower opening to the sun. Just as a student grows wiser by carefully examining their work and learning from mistakes, our model achieves deeper insight through patient, thoughtful analysis.

It's already available through Ollama as a 20GB download. I initially ran it like this:

ollama run qwq

This downloaded the model and started an interactive chat session. I tried the classic "how many rs in strawberry?" and got this lengthy but correct answer, which concluded:

Wait, but maybe I miscounted. Let's list them: 1. s 2. t 3. r 4. a 5. w 6. b 7. e 8. r 9. r 10. y Yes, definitely three "r"s. So, the word "strawberry" contains three "r"s.

Then I switched to using LLM and the llm-ollama plugin. I tried prompting it for Python that imports CSV into SQLite:

Write a Python function import_csv(conn, url, table_name) which acceopts a connection to a SQLite databse and a URL to a CSV file and the name of a table - it then creates that table with the right columns and imports the CSV data from that URL

It thought through the different steps in detail and produced some decent looking code.

Finally, I tried this:

llm -m qwq 'Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle'

For some reason it answered in Simplified Chinese. It opened with this:

生成一个SVG图像，内容是一只鹈鹕骑着一辆自行车。这听起来挺有趣的！我需要先了解一下什么是SVG，以及如何创建这样的图像。

Which translates (using Google Translate) to:

Generate an SVG image of a pelican riding a bicycle. This sounds interesting! I need to first understand what SVG is and how to create an image like this.

It then produced a lengthy essay discussing the many aspects that go into constructing a pelican on a bicycle - full transcript here. After a full 227 seconds of constant output it produced this as the final result.

I think that's pretty good!

# 27th November 2024, 11:59 pm / ai, generative-ai, local-llms, llms, llm, qwen, ollama, pelican-riding-a-bicycle, llm-reasoning, llm-release, ai-in-china