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Infrastructure for Modern Web Sites. Leonard’s thoughts on what the next generation of web frameworks should aim to provide.

Posted 29th January 2009 at 1:36 pm

Tagged django, frameworks, infrastructure, leonardlin, rails, sysadmin

2 comments

This has been a great week for comments like this:
while Rails and Django might make CRUD easier, that the ORMs weren't suitable for scaling beyond "toy" sizes, and that more importantly, they didn't seem to address almost any of the pain points of building and maintaining a modern website.

Seems to me that much of what Leonard is after really doesn't belong in a framework ("a framework is not a clowncar"), but then again I only build old-timey, toy websites.

huxley - 29th January 2009 21:47 - #
Huxley, perhaps "modern" is a misnomer. Replace that with "scalable social".

These are the pain points I have that seem to be common across the class of sites that I'm interested in (and that people I know are building).

BTW, you're right that a "framework" is not a clowncar. Neither is it *any* sort of monolithic object. It should be a set of decomposable elements that reduces the need for developers to write things over and over so they can do more interesting things.

lhl - 29th January 2009 23:48 - #

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