Thanks a bundle, HP
I needed to scan a couple of signed documents at work, as a cheaper alternative to locating a fax machine. The office scanner is an HP scanjet 4570c. I plugged it in to the back of my PowerBook to see if it would work straight away, as pretty much everything else I’ve plugged in has. It didn’t. Fair enough, I can’t expect Apple to pre-install drivers for everything. So I headed over to HP’s site to grab the necessary software.
Opera 7 is 3.8 MB. FireFox is 10 MB. Heck, the whole Mozilla suite is only 15 MB. What on earth could a scanner need that’s more than ten times the size of Mozilla?
So I gritted my teeth and proceeded with the download. Ten minutes later (thank goodness for broadband) the installer started up, and cheerfully told me I would have to quit all of my applications so it could restart my machine. If I clicked OK, it would shut them all down for me before proceeding with the install. Definitely no chance of me doing some useful work while it was copying over 7,000 files around my computer. Who needs multi-tasking anyway?
Gngngnngngng.
Another ten minutes later (I run a lot of apps) and the installer’s off on its merry way. A while after that it restarts my Mac. Time to see why goodies HP has provided:
- HP Photo and Imaging Director (added to my Dock, thanks for asking(!))
- HP Photo and Imaging Gallery
- HP Quick Print
- HP E-mail Portal
- HP PrecisionScan Pro
- HP ScanJet Copy Utiliy
- HP ScanJet Manager
- HP Scanner Preferences
- ScanLaunch
- HP Send To Application
- HP Share-to-Web
- Memories Disc
- HP WebUpdate
- Readiris 7 Pro (OCR software)
- HP Uninstaller
I took a guess and fired up Imaging Director, taking the addition to my Dock as a clue that this was the best place to start. Options included “Scan Picture” and “Scan Document”. “Scan Document” launched the OCR software, then promptly crashed. “Scan Picture” managed to scan the image, dropping it in to Imaging Gallery. It wasn’t at all obvious what Imaging Gallery was actually for, so I dragged the scan back out of it, opened it in my own choice of image software and did what I needed to do.
I’m now left with 170 MB of useless, apparently buggy software. Thank goodness for the uninstaller. Does using a scanner really have to involve this much hassle?
Vicki Smith - 1st April 2004 05:30 - #
They have already figured out how to do this right on the PC side of things. The PC driver package is similarly large, but I just noticed last week that they now offer a "corporate" driver package. This is basically a no-frills printer driver. It's intended for those who use the printer on a network (which is the only way I ever connect to a printer). It's <10MB. It comes with an installer, but you can skip it and just point Windows at the installer directory when it asks you to choose which printer model you have. Simple and small. Why can't they do this on the Mac?
Scott Johnson - 1st April 2004 06:01 - #
I've vowed never to buy another HP product in my life if I can help it. They're awful.
We love our *tiny* and cheap Canon LiDE 30.
By the way, before I buy any product, I make sure to visit the web site and see how easy it is to download drivers, get support, etc. If they charge or make me buy a CD or something, I look elsewhere.
Keith - 1st April 2004 06:47 - #
We bought an all in one for at home use (PC). Bad move - every time we spark up the computer the installer has to do something. Every time we want to print over the network, we have to re-install (add the printer) to the local machine.
A real disaster, I don't remember having these problems before with HP products, maybe it's a scanner thing...
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Geoff - 1st April 2004 08:32 - #
You might want to check out VueScan. I have used it a couple of times with an old Umax SCSI scanner and it served its purpose. Your scanner isn't specifically listed as supported, but at 1.9 megs, it sure beats the HP download.
David - 1st April 2004 08:49 - #
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mike - 1st April 2004 20:21 - #
Did you try launching Apple's Image Capture with the scanner attached?
I whined for weeks about the crappy-happy software that came with my Epson scanner. Then by accident, I found that Image Capture supports it with its perfectly satisfactory interface — it even lets me program the convenience buttons on the scanner front.
Good luck.
Michael Z. - 2nd April 2004 21:43 - #
I've enjoyed precisely the same experience with an HP all-in-one. As a copier and fax it performs beautifully (functions not related to a connected PC or Mac, of course). As a media card reader, it works a treat-- pop in my camera's memory stick and it'll mount the volume and launch iPhoto. As a printer it works like a charm-- no extra drivers, no hassle, prints from the network, piece of cake.
I'm yet to be able to use it as a scanner.
170mb of useless tripe that does a lousy job of replicating preinstalled software, dogs the system, and sports a revolting interface? Awesome.
Chris Clark - 4th April 2004 16:16 - #
Hey Vicki, speak for yourself. I'm still happily using my ancient Epson Expression 636 scanner with a SCSI card in my PowerMac dual1Ghz G4, using the Silverfast SE driver. I don't have any problems with SCSI at all, other than that to have the OS recognize the scanner, I have to have the scanner powered on at boot time (not a problem since I reboot about once every month or so).
If your scanner software sucks, you really should check out SilverFast SE, it's really cheap, $50, and supports a wide variety of scanners, even old discontinued ones without any current drivers, like my Epson. You can download trial versions from silverfast.com and if it works OK, you can buy a serial number online to unlock it.
I've been considering upgrading to SilverFast AI, which is their top end software at about $500 IIRC, it has all the pro tools like ICC profiling, I haven't seen such an advanced scanner driver since I used to work on a $250k drum scanner. But I haven't found a scanner I like that is good enough for the software. No, all scanner drivers don't suck, it should be obvious in this case that I've found a driver I like so much that I need to find a good scanner to go with the driver! And I am especially fond of the Silverfast guys because they support legacy hardware so I don't have to buy new equipment.
Charles - 5th April 2004 21:20 - #
I just returned my HP 2510 after two weeks of frustration with the HP Director software bundle. I purchased it largely for its ethernet capability and space-saving design. As a previous contributor noted: "Good hardware, lousy software." I had read the warnings, but thought "well, with my above average PC and technical skills, I'll be able to work my way through any problems. After all, it's HP -- a quality company." Alas, I was wrong.
As many have already noted, the software load is disturbingly large, and does not provide options for 'bare bones' installs. I figured I could load one machine and set "Share Printer" for the other machines in my network of about 5 machines (mostly WinXP). I loaded Director on one of my machines and hoped for the best.
I had no trouble with networking. My router's DHCP assigned it an address and I could ping it consistently. Printouts were very nice; the fax worked great; the memory card reader was terribly s-l-o-w (it took more than one hour(!) to download a half-full 512Mbyte SanDisk CF to my PC), but at least it functioned.
The scanner was more troublesome. It was a real struggle to get scans from the HP Director software. Especially frustrating was the apparent need to reset all the tweeks (page size, b/w thresholds) for *each* scan in a multipage document. The software would hang after 2 or 3 scans.
The "Status" function of HP Director would rarely recognize the 2510 (hooked up via wired ethernet), even though commands were transmitted and data returned. The Director software was always very slow to react to commands, often worrying me with thoughts of "Did it hang" or "Did my mouse miss the target?" I tried the primative web interface -- even that interface was a bit spotty. The Director software sent scanning output as a PDF file -- JPEG was available for single scans, but seemed to be unavailable as an option in multiple scans. If I seem to be vague about what was happening, it's because the software just seemed ponderous.
There are mentions in chat forums of conflicts between Norton 2003 and HP Director -- Norton One-Button-Checkup reports a missing file -- something you may wish to look into. I'm running WinXP Pro (with up-to-date patches), Norton 2003 AV, with a decent processor and about 1/2 Gig of RAM. FYI, my level of technical knowledge is such that I know enough to avoid most obvious problems.
I might have struggled with this device a bit longer, but my 2-week return window was closing (kudos to Staples for a no hassle return policy). I think I'll avoid any more "All-in-One" products and stick to simpler devices with simpler drivers. It's a shame, because the HP 2510 really had all the features I wanted, and I've until now always been delighted with past HP purchases (everything from my first HP-67 calculator to plotters to Network Analyzers).
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Joshua is typical of HP - 16th May 2004 03:09 - #
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mr m parker - 23rd June 2004 20:24 - #
It's worse than you think. HP Director is not only installed in your dock, but it re-installs itself every time you log in. Worse yet, the Application that installs it isn't called from the StartupItems folder (either of them) but rather an obscure plist file in the global preferences folder that runs things when people log in. You can't even delete the Application (as suggested on the MacAddict site) because the plist file will continue to try to run the non existant Application.
It has taken me far too long to figure out how to turn this "feature" off. I echo the general sentiment about HP scanners and printers; good hardware, bad software.
Dave.
Dave - 1st October 2004 01:14 - #
I have an HP ScanJet IIP, and never had any trouble with it or the drivers under Windows NT 4.0. I don't remember the size or anything about the installation, but with the discreprency between the age of the scanner and the age of the hard drive, I don't think I even checked the size - I think the PC has a 4G drive in it or so.
I also have an HP PhotoSmart P1000 - and the drivers under Windows NT 4.0. Again, no troubles.
Also, as we're discussing HP in general, the HP-9000s and HP-UX that we used at work were all splendid and didn't cause troubles, and HP Support was great. However, their computers also seemed to cause trouble and were funky.
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Yann - 13th October 2006 08:08 - #
Thanks very much to David for his suggestion (1st April 2004 08:49) to try VueScan software as a replacement for the abysmal software that comes with HP scanners (see http://www.hamrick.com/).
I tried VueScan (trial is free), then purchased, it, and it now has prevented me from throwing the HP Scanjet 3970 out the window. The HP Photo and Imaging Director Software (version 2.2) that comes with the Scanjet 3970 has one of the poorest user interfaces I have ever seen (I'm a software user interface consultant/evaluator), has frequent launching problems ("program busy, try again") and has memory leak and runtime problems. However VueScan saved HP's hide once again.
ADVICE: Canon has about the best scanners PLUS software interfaces for scanning software and drivers. At the same time, if you're thinking of getting an HP scanner, or already have one, use VueScan to replace/displace HP's scanning software, and you'll THEN think you made a good decision in using the HP scanner. (HP should buy VueScan and package it with their scanners!!!)
Don, Edgewater, MD - 19th October 2006 19:44 - #